Hey guy's. Your guy's thoughts on hirsuta and javanica. We'll I've had both and they are surprisingly good. Hirsuta is kinda like a green vein, energy and mood lift, but no 7oh or mit in either of these. My opinion on javanica reminds me of a red vein,nice and calming and some energy not as much as hirsuta. I can see these being gr8 kratom alternatives! Have you guy's ever tried them, they work gr8 for regular kratom withdrawal as well as does stim and vein, if you haven't tried these they are definitely worth it and they all take part in a tolerance break from regular kratom too. Have a blessed one!